White House officials have confirmed that President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin could meet as early as next week to discuss the war in Ukraine. It would be the first U.S.-Russia summit in more than four years. Trump reportedly plans to follow up that meeting with another three-way meeting between himself, Putin and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. We speak with The New York Times opinion columnist M. Gessen, who says Putin is “fully invested in continuing this war forever.” The war on Ukraine “is not the kind of thing that you can roll back in a totalitarian state,” says Gessen. “It destabilizes the politics, it destabilizes the psychology of the country, and at this point it destabilizes the economy of the country to try to retrofit it back to a civilian economy.”

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